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قيادي حمساوي: الدولة ثنائية القومية الأنسب Hamas leader for a binational state

נשלח 17 באפר׳ 2014, 3:47 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 19 באפר׳ 2014, 13:38 ]

Hamas leader Ahmed Yousef : a binational state best suited to protect Palestinian rights.

Of course, Ahmed Yousef envisions his binational state as a Palestinian Islamic state with a minority of "non-Zionist" Jews. The Israeli right too, envisions a Jewish great Israel with an Arab minority...
It is never the less an interesting game opening. Both sides will find themselves later in a federal constitutional state with their rights equally guaranteed...

ECFR's Two-State Solution Stress Test

נשלח 23 במרץ 2014, 5:58 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 23 במרץ 2014, 5:58 ]

Most Israelis and Palestinians still support the Two-State Solution, but live in a more and more One-state reality...

The Two-State Stress Test is a very interesting project conducted by the think-tank European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR).

We are chiefly interested by the chapter: "Rise in public discourse of political alternatives to a two-state outcome", p.55: 

Findings:

Notable figures who have spoken out in favour of alternative solutions
include Minister of Industry, Trade, and Labour Naftali Bennett, who proposed that Israel should annex Area C; former Defense Minister Moshe Arens, who proposed annexing the entire West Bank, and, over time, granting its residents limited Israeli citizenship; and a number of prominent Likud members of the Knesset, who have continued voicing support for the annexation of the West Bank in various configurations – positions that were taboo just a few years ago. Despite these statements, no politician has launched an organised political or parliamentary campaign in 2013 to proactively implement these plans. 
 
Score 3: – Relatively mainstream political actors voice long-term alternatives that would preclude a two-state solution; such ideas resonate with a broader public

About the Two State Stress: 

Arab League refuses recognising Israel as 'Jewish state'

נשלח 15 במרץ 2014, 7:34 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 23 במרץ 2014, 5:37 ]

The two-state solution looks  more distant than ever: refusing to recognize Israel as the Jewish state means for Israelis not recognizing the right of self-definition of the Jewish people. This right was the core of the "two states for two peoples" solution promoted at Oslo...

The main obstacle for the Arabs is that 'Jewish state' recognition is tantamount to questioning the Palestinian right of return. For Israel, this refusal means that the Palestinians want Israel to turn into a bi-national state, and that they do not recognize the existence of the Jewish people, nor its right to self-determination.

It is true that defining Israel as a Jewish state prevents the return of the descendants of the Palestinian refugees. The reason is the territorial definition of the nation-state, which assigns a territory to only one people. Does this mean that we are doomed to an eternal conflict?

We propose instead to create a single state which unites two non-territorial nation-states - consisting of their respective people and its independent institutions. The undivided territory will be under exclusive sovereignty of the Federation and will constitute the homeland of the two peoples, the Jewish and the Palestinian Arab people.

Each people will be recognized by the Constitution and will have power of veto over the decisions of the other. In this way, demography will cease to be a problem.

Here is the article about the Arab League. Emphasis mine: 

Cairo  - The Arab League has supported Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's refusal to recognize Israel as a ‘Jewish state,’ the latest setback in a two-state solution.The statement underscores the seemingly impassable chasm that has prevented a diplomatic solution to the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 

"The council of the Arab League confirms its support for the Palestinian leadership in its effort to end the Israeli occupation over Palestinian lands, and emphasizes its rejection of recognizing Israel as a 'Jewish state'," Arab foreign ministers said in a statement in Cairo on Sunday. 
The Palestinians seek the recognition of statehood in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, with the capital situated in east Jerusalem. The United States, Israel’s powerful ally, supports the concept, which has been rejected by Netanyahu. The seven-page Arab resolution on the Israeli-Palestinian crisis said it rejects “the demand by Israel and some international parties to identify Israel as a Jewish state, which aims to annul the right of return and compensation for Palestinian refugees.”  Arab League chief, Nabil Elaraby, urged Arab countries to take a “firm stand” against the Israeli conditions. “This is a deviation from the international resolutions agreed upon as a basis for the Palestinian-Israeli negotiations, which requires a firm Arab stand to … reevaluate the negotiation track as a whole, and to strongly express definite Arab rejection of this serious turn,” he told the opening session of the meeting. 
Netanyahu, however, appears more determined than ever to stick to his guns on the issue. "In recognizing the Jewish state you Palestinians would finally make clear that you are truly prepared to end the conflict," Netanyahu said in a speech to AIPAC, the powerful pro-Israeli lobby in Washington on Tuesday. 
"So recognize the Jewish state, no excuses, no delays. It is time," he said. The Palestinians argue that Benjamin Netanyahu has been the first Israeli leader to make recognition of Israel as a Jewish state a condition for granting the Palestinian people their own state. The Palestinian Authority says that recognizing Israel as a “Jewish State” would de jure declare the Palestinians living in Palestine as illegitimate, possibly exposing them to discrimination. It would also effectively eliminate any ‘right of return’ for the millions of Palestinians who were forced from their homes after Israel was granted state status by the United Nations in 1948. 
The UN estimates the number of Palestinian refugees and their descendants at 4.98 million - over half Israel's present population of some 8.1 million people. Abbas has said that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) already recognized the state of Israel in 1993. "We recognized Israel in mutual recognition in the Oslo agreement - why do they now ask us to recognize the Jewishness of the state?" he asked. "Why didn't they present this demand to Jordan or Egypt when they signed a peace agreement with them?" Abbas added. 
In a speech last month, Abbas also sought to calm Israel’s fear of millions of Palestinians flooding its borders in the event of a peace agreement, saying: "We do not seek either to flood Israel with millions of refugees or to change its social composition." 
Meanwhile, the clock is ticking on US Secretary of State John Kerry’s April-29 deadline for reaching a “framework agreement” between the two sides. Washington, despite its strong commitment to Israel, seems to be losing patience with Netanyahu. Ahead of the Israeli leader’s meeting last week in Washington, US President Obama warned that the United States may not be able to protect Israel if a two-state solution with the Palestinians fails. If Netanyahu “does not believe that a peace deal with the Palestinians is the right thing to do for Israel, then he needs to articulate an alternative approach,” Obama told Bloomberg in an interview. “There comes a point where you can’t manage this anymore, and then you start having to make very difficult choices.”

השייח' אל-ג'עברי רוצה תעודות כחולות

נשלח 19 בנוב׳ 2012, 5:42 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 19 בנוב׳ 2012, 6:25 ]

השייח' אל-ג'עברי, מוכתר חברון, המעדיף אוטונומיה מאשר מדינה פלסטינית ומהתנגד לשלטון של הרשות, ביקש שישראל תסכים להפיק תעודות כחולות לאוכלוסיה. השר כ"ץ ענה לו כי ישראל לא תסכים בשום אופן להעניק אזרחות ישראלית לתושבים הפלסטינים, "שכן הדבר סותר את בסיס הרעיון הציוני" - כלומר, יוצר בעיה דמוגרפית... 
פדרציה יכולה להעניק אזרחות דואלית פלסטינית ופדרלית מבלי לסתור את הציונות - את הזכות להגדרה עצמית של העם היהודי.

Ra'am-Ta'al has adopted our program!

נשלח 3 בנוב׳ 2012, 12:00 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 19 בנוב׳ 2012, 5:50 ]

Great news! 
 
Less than one year after Kamal Nawash and I met the head of Ra'am-Ta'al, Sheikh Ibrahim Sarsur, and told him about our federal model. He told us that he will speak about the federal solution to the party. He dit it!

The party has adopted the Federation in its platform! 

"The joint Arab party list, Ra'am-Ta'al, has changed its party platform "due to the failure of the two-state solution."
After calling for years for a two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the party now calls for a democratic bi-national state as the solution to the conflict, which would fulfill the right to self-determination of both peoples, including the right of return for Palestinian and Jewish refugees who want to return and with Jerusalem as its capital. Maariv noted that adopting a bi-national state solution is against the Parties Law, according to which, no party can negate Israel's existence as a Jewish and democratic state."

http://peacenow.org/entries/news_nosh_101912#.UJVTtMXZYyE

It is clear for us that a Jewish-Arab federation will be much more Jewish than the State of Israel in its present form. 
 Yehuda Schwartz

ח"כ מופז מזהיר מפני מדינה דו לאומית

נשלח 30 באוק׳ 2012, 5:44 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 19 בנוב׳ 2012, 5:57 ]

חדשות קול חי י״ד במרחשון תשע״ב 11/11/2011 9:24

"יושב ראש ועדת החוץ והביטחון של הכנסת מזהיר מפני מדינ הדו לאומית.
בנאום בפני אלפיים חברי הקהילה היהודית בדנבר קולורדו, שם מתקיים השנה כינוס הפדרציות היהודיות של צפון אמריקה הדגיש מופז הפיכתה של ישראל למדינה דו-לאומית, מסוכנת וממשית יותר מהאיום הגרעיני האירני.
בדבריו האשים מופז את ממשלת נתניהו המובילה אותנו לקראת התרחיש הזה בעיניים פקוחות."

אז מה מציע לנו מופז? שתי מדינות נפרדות? הרי זה לא עבד עד היום!
כשמופז אומר "מדינה דו לאומית", הוא מתכוון למבדינת לאום אחת שלא מתיחסת ללאומים המרכיבים אותה. זו סכנה כמובן.

מפלגתו של טלב א-סאנע מאמצת פתרון של מדינה דו-לאומית: "אוסלו נכשל"

נשלח 30 באוק׳ 2012, 4:27 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 19 בנוב׳ 2012, 6:04 ]


 עמרי נחמיאס.
הוועד המרכזי של המפלגה הדמוקרטית הערבית הכריז כי פתרון שתי המדינות נכשל, ובקרוב מצע המפלגה ישתנה בהתאם. "בפועל יש היום מדינה אחת שחיים בתוכה שני עמים, אולם רק לעם אחד יש את האזרחות והזכות לבחור ולהיבחר והעם השני מנושל מהזכויות האלה", הסביר יו"ר המפלגה א-סאנע. "מדינה דו-לאומית תבטיח דו-קיום, זו האלטרנטיבה היחידה".

באומרו "מדינה דו-לאומית", א-סאנע מתכוון לפדרציה.


הממשלה מודה: אין כבר רוב יהודי בין הירדן לים

נשלח 26 באוק׳ 2012, 4:04 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 26 באוק׳ 2012, 4:04 ]

http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/1.1843217

הגיע זמנה של הפדרציה:

על פי מקורות זרים, היהודים נהפכו למיעוט בשטחי ארץ ישראל השלמה כבר לפני כמה שנים. מעתה, זהו נתון רשמי. יהיו ודאי מי שיטענו, כי 12 המיליון כוללים את תושבי רצועת עזה, שישראל פינתה, וכי היה עלי לגרוע 1.5 מיליון נפש ממספר התושבים הלא יהודים. אבל 12 המיליון, הכוללים מן הסתם את תושבי הרצועה, הוא הנתון הרשמי שמתנוסס על נייר של משרד האוצר. אם האוכלוסייה הזאת "לא נחשבת" לעניין המאזן הדמוגרפי, יתכבד האוצר ויגרע אותה גם מהרף לקבלת הטבות המס וממאזן ההכנסות שלו.

The Palestine Papers reveal: threat of a one-state solution

נשלח 25 באפר׳ 2011, 2:09 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 5 במאי 2011, 5:51 ]

Erekat: "I told the Americans [...] we have our BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement). We will not repeat what Arafat did. We will continue to maintain security, one authority, one gun, rule of law, but we will demand equal rights in one state…"

One of the WikiLeaks documents offers this option:

"Develop credible alternatives to the traditional two-state solution, such as a one-state, a binational state, etc.
If adopted in lieu of the two-state solution, dissolve/utilize the PA and alter the mandate of the PLO accordingly."

A UN recognition will not change the hard facts on the ground, the settlements construction will probably continue in the West Bank. Anyway, Hamas will not satisfy itself with a Palestinian state in 67 borders, which would be tantamount to a recognition of Israel.

Conclusion: the Palestinian BATNA is on the way.

N.B.: I notice that Saeb Erekat said something about the One State:
"We will continue to maintain security, one authority, one gun, rule of law, but we will demand equal rights".

If I have well understood, Erekat is speaking of a national autonomy in the same state, with equal rights. Isn't it a federation?!

Poll: One-state solution gains ground

נשלח 25 באפר׳ 2011, 1:35 על ידי Yehuda Schwartz   [ עודכן 25 באפר׳ 2011, 2:08 ]

A poll Last year (April 2010 - JMCC) found that support for a one-state solution is the highest it has ever been. Nearly 34 percent of respondents favored a binational state in all of historic Palestine over the two state solution, which only 43.9 percent supported.

The decline in support for the two-state solution has persisted since shortly after the start of the Palestinian uprising in September 2000, however, those who favored a binational state were only 20.6 percent in June 2009.

A UN recognition of a Palestinian State in 67 borders next September will not bring any change on the ground. This will cause tremendous frustration.
I bet that the same pol will give a majority for a binational state. In order to escape from an apartheid-like situation, Israel will have only one solution: the Federation! 

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